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Third Republican debate: 0 winners, 5 losers

BY Amirul

November 9, 2023
3:55 pm

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The third Republican presidential debate was extra sedate and extra substantive than the earlier two — however, sadly for the candidates onstage, it doesn’t appear more likely to be any extra consequential.

The lineup was winnowed down to 5 candidates, every of whom received to make their pitch. The NBC Information moderators — Lester Holt, Kristen Welker, and Hugh Hewitt — saved proceedings below management, and requested largely first rate, issues-based questions.

Nevertheless it was exhausting to see why any of it mattered. Right here’s one telling stat: If supporters of the 5 candidates onstage had been all mixed, they’d make up 33 p.c of the nationwide Republican voters, according to polls. Donald Trump, compared, has the assist of 56 p.c of Republicans, that means he has an enormous lead over, nicely, everybody else put collectively.

So it was exhausting to see how this debate was any extra worthwhile than, say, a coverage dialogue with 5 Republican politicians chosen at random. Nobody significantly helped their possibilities of taking down Trump. Actually, all of them misplaced — simply as they’re all dropping the presidential major. However they misplaced in several methods.

Loser: Vivek Ramaswamy

Now that the novelty of Ramaswamy’s candidacy has worn off, the businessman has struggled to give you methods to stay related, and he rolled out a number of new tips through the debate.

Ramaswamy used a part of his scattershot opening assertion to attempt to assault Welker, the moderator, demanding she reply whether or not she now believes the Trump-Russia scandal was a hoax. (Welker didn’t have interaction.) He additionally stated that, fairly than NBC Information, the controversy ought to have been moderated by Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk. (“Vivek aides are actually hoping for an enormous donation from Elon Musk,” Teddy Schleifer of Puck News tweeted.)

Later, whereas debating international coverage, Ramaswamy continued to emphasise his distinction with the opposite candidates onstage, complaining concerning the “neocon institution” and claiming the Ukraine hawks had been “quietly tiptoeing again now that this factor has turned out to a catastrophe.” He additionally rolled out a clearly preplanned line attacking Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley: “Would you like Dick Cheney in 3-inch heels? During which case we’ve received two of them onstage tonight.” (The reference is to widespread theories that DeSantis wears height-increasing boots to make himself seem taller.)

However Ramaswamy himself can’t actually resist taking a low blow. Throughout a query about whether or not TikTok must be banned, Ramaswamy complained that Haley, within the final debate, “made enjoyable of me for really becoming a member of TikTok whereas her personal daughter was really utilizing the app for a very long time. So that you would possibly need to maintain your loved ones first.” Boos from the viewers ensued, and Haley known as him “scum.” His schtick has gotten previous.

Loser: Tim Scott

For a lot of the debate, as Haley, DeSantis, and Ramaswamy sniped at each other, Scott appeared fairly irrelevant, delivering solutions with an amiable demeanor that didn’t appear to compel a response. Tellingly, when he seemed to propose going to conflict with Iran — “You even have to chop off the top of the snake, and the top of the snake is Iran and never merely their proxies” — nobody actually cared sufficient to push again.

But when the questioning turned to abortion, Scott induced a little bit of drama. The South Carolina senator has been hoping to enchantment to conservative evangelical Christians in Iowa by promising them the moon on abortion restrictions. “I will surely, as president of america, have a 15-week nationwide restrict,” he stated — in different phrases, a ban on abortion after 15 weeks of being pregnant. “I’d problem each Nikki and Ron to hitch me at a 15-week restrict.” Haley scoffed, claiming she’d signal no matter may go the Senate however arguing that Scott knew full nicely such a measure may by no means overcome a filibuster.

Within the slender sense of interesting to anti-abortion Iowans, Scott most likely gave the simpler reply in telling them what they need to hear. But he tightly embraced a trigger that repeatedly has been a loser for Republicans basically elections. Such a place may nicely doom a Tim Scott basic election presidential bid, in both 2024 or 2028 — and it makes him a much less enticing vice presidential decide for somebody like Trump as nicely.

Loser: Chris Christie

Christie stated in his closing assertion that he was working for America as a result of he was “drained.” He clarified that he was bored with seeing division, anger, and pettiness dominating politics. However Christie additionally appeared drained within the extra typical sense — he didn’t seem significantly fired up a few presidential bid that appears to be going nowhere.

The core of Christie’s political enchantment as a governor candidate after which governor of New Jersey was actually about him being an obnoxious loudmouth who satisfied voters he was on their aspect — however Trump actually owns that lane within the present GOP. Christie’s 2024 candidacy had the theoretical rationale that he was a fighter who may get below Trump’s pores and skin and bait him into making errors (since Christie had famously induced Marco Rubio to “short-circuit” throughout a 2016 debate) — however since Trump hasn’t proven up, he hasn’t been ready to do this.

So Christie has been casting about for a rationale about what he’s doing within the race. His try to model himself because the accountable institution determine the social gathering ought to return to hasn’t caught on. Choosing fights with Ramaswamy and DeSantis doesn’t actually get him anyplace. So what’s the purpose?

Loser: Nikki Haley

Haley is having a second, some commentators claim. What which means in concrete phrases is that, in keeping with Iowa and New Hampshire polls, she’s now neck-and-neck with DeSantis — and that, like DeSantis, she is about 30 proportion factors behind Trump. (Nationally, she’s gone from 6 p.c assist to 9 p.c in polling averages.)

Nicely, she sparred with DeSantis over abstruse state policies relating to China — every accused the opposite of, in essence, being a phony China hawk whereas governor. She tangled with Scott over abortion, complaining that he wasn’t being “trustworthy” concerning the prospects for a nationwide abortion ban after 15 weeks of being pregnant.

And, in fact, she let her contempt for Ramaswamy present — significantly in criticizing his opposition to arming Ukraine. Vladimir Putin was “salivating on the thought that somebody like that might grow to be president,” she stated, calling Ukraine “a freedom-loving, pro-American nation that’s combating for its survival and its democracy.”

None of this could make Trump lose any sleep at night time. Marginal will increase of assist aren’t sufficient — Haley must attempt to knock her different rivals out of the race, to get that one-on-one shot in opposition to Trump. However these rivals don’t appear to be in a rush to wind down their campaigns, and Haley didn’t carry out nicely sufficient Wednesday to power them to take action anytime quickly.

Loser: Ron DeSantis

DeSantis’s marketing campaign has had little excellent news previously a number of months. As soon as regarded as a formidable challenger for Trump, the Florida governor noticed his ballot efficiency shrink dramatically, main donors to desert him and politicos to invest how lengthy he’d keep within the race. However on Monday, he lastly received a pleasant headline. Like Scott, DeSantis is concentrated on performing nicely within the Iowa caucuses, and now, the state’s governor, Kim Reynolds (R), has endorsed him. His crew evidently hoped this may be the beginning of a DeSantis turnaround.

Nevertheless it was an uneventful debate for DeSantis. He performed it secure once more, taking solely probably the most cautious pictures at Trump. “Donald Trump’s so much completely different man than he was in 2016,” he stated early on, including that Trump ought to clarify why he didn’t get Mexico to pay for the wall, cut back the debt, or drain the swamp — and why Republicans preserve dropping elections.

He didn’t prosecute that case additional as the controversy went on, although. And at this level, he actually must be taking that extra aggressive stance. The clock is ticking — the Iowa caucuses are simply over two months away. If there’s any hope for disproving the now nearly-universal perception that 2024 GOP primaries will simply be a coronation for Trump, it has to occur quickly.